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Post by Calvinball on Jun 1, 2020 20:48:08 GMT -5
I work in a small town in the suburbs, it was supposed to have a protest tomorrow but the organizers cancelled it after seeing what happened the last couple of days. The town is now paranoid that it's going to be a hotspot for protesters tomorrow and literally over half of the businesses have boarded up their windows and the local grocery store has even closed.
I'm going to work tomorrow but if anything starts happening I'm grabbing my dog and noping the fuck out. Don't know what's going to happen but there is nothing in that office that can't be replaced and nothing in that office I'm willing to put my physical well being into defending, except the dogs...
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Post by stringypoo on Jun 1, 2020 21:49:34 GMT -5
GODDAMN.
I have a lot of thoughts about all of this shit. I have not seen all of the footage on George Floyd, so I can't claim to know all the angles here. But I have so much frustration about this. That footage from CNN headquarters, as well as some of the rioting footage with police resulting in violence against protesters plays nonstop here in China on the news. The narrative that the US is not a safe place is exploding here. And the US is my home, for those who might not know or remember.
I would never tell anyone that what I'm seeing police do is okay. And what happened to George Floyd was definitely a major injustice. At the risk of sounding like I'm on the wrong side of the fence here, I am more frustrated with the people rioting and demonstrating in the name of George Floyd than I am with the police. Let us not forget that being a police officer is not a safe career path. They could face any variety of dangers on the job, which can absolutely create a sense of stress, worry, anxiety, and pressure. Do we need protesters out there creating violent scenes for a completely overwhelmed police society all over the nation? The police are appointed to serve as protectors, to help keep the peace. They as a collective unit are nationwide under fire and put under a huge amount of stress. I know from being a teacher with difficult and horrible little shits that it can be easy to be sent into a rage from continuous frustration over asshole kids. So I can relate to these unfortunate events from the Police. The difference is that I'm not getting violent or anything with my kids because I firstly know it's not okay, and secondly, I never get pushed THAT FAR. I don't deal with this kind of shit that these policemen are dealing with. So of course they are resorting to violence. OF COURSE IT'S NOT RIGHT, I'M NOT CONDONING ANYTHING I SEE. But holy shit. People need to find a different way to express their rage about the initial incident. Violence will be responded to with violence.
And then here is the thing which I do not know: I did not see enough context, but is there any proof that this incident with George Floyd was racially charged? I think sometimes the race card is played unfairly in the narratives that shape how people view the stories we hear about. I haven't yet seen enough to say this was an act of racist Police brutality.
I'm really frustrated by all of this right now. I'm especially glad I'm not there at the moment because it seems too painful, but it echoes deeply and profoundly all over the world right now. The TV is nonstop riot footage. This is not the way I want to remember my home.
Edit: I am still catching up on the news coverage on the initial incident. If it is true that George was simply being frisked by the police for little or no reason, I would imagine this to be a racist incident. However, I'm only hearing perspectives. Anyway, I realize the more I type the less it matters what I think. It's all just a bit too upsetting right now. I just mainly hope for a different way to solve this problem than violence.
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Post by Calvinball on Jun 2, 2020 13:23:44 GMT -5
I was told to go home from work today, the entire town is boarded up and parking lots are literally barricaded off. Protests are supposed (if they do) start between 2-4. If shit get's fucked up I'm going to be pissed. These aren't Targets or Walmarts or CVS with big corporate backings, these are small local businesses that have spent 3 months on financial life support. Every store that get's damaged is potentially putting people's careers at risk. People on Facebook saying "oh they all have insurance they'll be fine" have no fucking idea how small business works.
It's just frustrating sitting at my apartment wondering if I'm going to have an office tomorrow.
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Post by Unlearner on Jun 2, 2020 14:27:41 GMT -5
GODDAMN. I have a lot of thoughts about all of this shit. I have not seen all of the footage on George Floyd, so I can't claim to know all the angles here. But I have so much frustration about this. That footage from CNN headquarters, as well as some of the rioting footage with police resulting in violence against protesters plays nonstop here in China on the news. The narrative that the US is not a safe place is exploding here. And the US is my home, for those who might not know or remember. I would never tell anyone that what I'm seeing police do is okay. And what happened to George Floyd was definitely a major injustice. At the risk of sounding like I'm on the wrong side of the fence here, I am more frustrated with the people rioting and demonstrating in the name of George Floyd than I am with the police. Let us not forget that being a police officer is not a safe career path. They could face any variety of dangers on the job, which can absolutely create a sense of stress, worry, anxiety, and pressure. Do we need protesters out there creating violent scenes for a completely overwhelmed police society all over the nation? The police are appointed to serve as protectors, to help keep the peace. They as a collective unit are nationwide under fire and put under a huge amount of stress. I know from being a teacher with difficult and horrible little shits that it can be easy to be sent into a rage from continuous frustration over asshole kids. So I can relate to these unfortunate events from the Police. The difference is that I'm not getting violent or anything with my kids because I firstly know it's not okay, and secondly, I never get pushed THAT FAR. I don't deal with this kind of shit that these policemen are dealing with. So of course they are resorting to violence. OF COURSE IT'S NOT RIGHT, I'M NOT CONDONING ANYTHING I SEE. But holy shit. People need to find a different way to express their rage about the initial incident. Violence will be responded to with violence. And then here is the thing which I do not know: I did not see enough context, but is there any proof that this incident with George Floyd was racially charged? I think sometimes the race card is played unfairly in the narratives that shape how people view the stories we hear about. I haven't yet seen enough to say this was an act of racist Police brutality. I'm really frustrated by all of this right now. I'm especially glad I'm not there at the moment because it seems too painful, but it echoes deeply and profoundly all over the world right now. The TV is nonstop riot footage. This is not the way I want to remember my home. Edit: I am still catching up on the news coverage on the initial incident. If it is true that George was simply being frisked by the police for little or no reason, I would imagine this to be a racist incident. However, I'm only hearing perspectives. Anyway, I realize the more I type the less it matters what I think. It's all just a bit too upsetting right now. I just mainly hope for a different way to solve this problem than violence. From what I've read, it all started because the store owner thought he used counterfeit money. He just didn't expect it to end the way it did. The owner of the Minneapolis store that called the police on George Floyd over the use of an alleged counterfeit bill said they will no longer call the cops in similar situations. “Police are supposed to protect and serve their communities; instead, what we’ve seen over and over again is the police abusing their power and violating the people’s trust. We realize now that escalating situations to the police almost always does more harm than good, even for something as harmless as a fake bill,” Mahmoud Abumayyaleh, the owner of Cup Foods, said in a Facebook post Sunday. Abumayyaleh said that by “simply following procedure” and calling the police over suspected counterfeit bills, the store is putting the community in danger. “Until the police stop killing innocent people, we will handle incidents like this one using non-violent tactics that do not involve police. We must stand together to fight against institutional racism,” he added. Abumayyaleh said he was not at the store when the incident occurred but that an employee called the police after “receiving a counterfeit bill from George Floyd.” |
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Post by v9733xa on Jun 2, 2020 17:12:04 GMT -5
Again, I already posted a video that shows everything that happened. There really is no question that it was a negligent homicide. Are we actually debating that?
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Post by stringypoo on Jun 2, 2020 17:19:09 GMT -5
Again, I already posted a video that shows everything that happened. There really is no question that it was a negligent homicide. Are we actually debating that? That was literally the only footage I hadn’t watched yet. My school has had me working so hard so I didn’t have a chance to see some videos, also because vpn. But I finally saw some of it. I’m not debating that. I also did not know this started over alleged counterfeit money used at the store. I know it looks very much like a racist incident, however I still don’t feel I have enough evidence to support that. Homicide, sure. Then again, I could imagine a similar sized white guy might have a different outcome. Who knows. I guess there’s no gain from me pondering the potential that this was not an act of violence through racism. |
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Post by v9733xa on Jun 2, 2020 17:39:48 GMT -5
GODDAMN. I have a lot of thoughts about all of this shit. I have not seen all of the footage on George Floyd, so I can't claim to know all the angles here. But I have so much frustration about this. That footage from CNN headquarters, as well as some of the rioting footage with police resulting in violence against protesters plays nonstop here in China on the news. The narrative that the US is not a safe place is exploding here. And the US is my home, for those who might not know or remember. I would never tell anyone that what I'm seeing police do is okay. And what happened to George Floyd was definitely a major injustice. At the risk of sounding like I'm on the wrong side of the fence here, I am more frustrated with the people rioting and demonstrating in the name of George Floyd than I am with the police. Let us not forget that being a police officer is not a safe career path. They could face any variety of dangers on the job, which can absolutely create a sense of stress, worry, anxiety, and pressure. Do we need protesters out there creating violent scenes for a completely overwhelmed police society all over the nation? The police are appointed to serve as protectors, to help keep the peace. They as a collective unit are nationwide under fire and put under a huge amount of stress. I know from being a teacher with difficult and horrible little shits that it can be easy to be sent into a rage from continuous frustration over asshole kids. So I can relate to these unfortunate events from the Police. The difference is that I'm not getting violent or anything with my kids because I firstly know it's not okay, and secondly, I never get pushed THAT FAR. I don't deal with this kind of shit that these policemen are dealing with. So of course they are resorting to violence. OF COURSE IT'S NOT RIGHT, I'M NOT CONDONING ANYTHING I SEE. But holy shit. People need to find a different way to express their rage about the initial incident. Violence will be responded to with violence. And then here is the thing which I do not know: I did not see enough context, but is there any proof that this incident with George Floyd was racially charged? I think sometimes the race card is played unfairly in the narratives that shape how people view the stories we hear about. I haven't yet seen enough to say this was an act of racist Police brutality. I'm really frustrated by all of this right now. I'm especially glad I'm not there at the moment because it seems too painful, but it echoes deeply and profoundly all over the world right now. The TV is nonstop riot footage. This is not the way I want to remember my home. Edit: I am still catching up on the news coverage on the initial incident. If it is true that George was simply being frisked by the police for little or no reason, I would imagine this to be a racist incident. However, I'm only hearing perspectives. Anyway, I realize the more I type the less it matters what I think. It's all just a bit too upsetting right now. I just mainly hope for a different way to solve this problem than violence. This is a really distressing and painfully misinformed post, because it sounds like all you've heard about are the looting and riots. Yes, that gets a lot of airtime on TV, but just look at the Twitter videos I posted over the weekend, and look at the day-long peaceful protests that go for hours and hours on end without incident. Am I angry about looting and vandalism? Sure. But I'm way more angry at the journalist who is now permanently blind from being shot by the police with a rubber bullet... and the store owner in Louisville killed by the police in crossfire where the PD had illegally turned off their body cams before shooting... and the countless reporters arrested or accosted or maced or gassed... Proof that the incident was "racially charged"? I mean, you usually can't prove racism. What are you looking for? The officer to call him the n-word during the arrest? It's all context, that year after year countless black women and men are killed by the police, unarmed and not resisting, often for crimes that are no where near necessary for the level of force required. There is no coincidence that you don't hear about white criminals being slammed by a chokehold for a $20 counterfeit bill or selling loosies on the street in Staten Island. Look at it this way: think back over the past 15 years how many mass murders and violent shootings have been perpetrated by young white men in America. Aside from the ones who took their own lives during the incident, how many of those arrests did you see done violently? Dylan Roof was arrested quietly after killing 9 African-Americans in a church one night. He was led into the back of a police car, unharmed, without incident. Can you IMAGINE what that would have been like if his name was Tyrone Johnson and he shot up a Southern Baptist church? Puhlease. The problem isn't this one incident, it's systemic. It's that 30 years ago we all saw the footage of Rodney King being beaten within an inch of his life... and the cops got away with it. And seven years after that Amadou Diallo was murdered by four NYC plain-clothes officers in New York... and the cops got away with it. And ten years after that Oscar Grant was gunned down in Oakland while he was on the ground after being kicked in the head, shot in the back... and the cops got away with it. And a year after that seven-year-old Aiyana Jones was shot in the head during a police raid... and the cops got away with it. And three years after that Trayvon Martin was shot in Florida for wearing a hoodie, carrying some Skittles, and "looking suspicious" at night... and the neighborhood watch got away with it. And three years after that an unarmed Michael Brown is shot and killed with his hands up in the middle of the street in Ferguson... and the cops got away with it. The same year a 12-year-old boy named Tamir Rice has a plastic toy gun outside in a park in Cleveland and the cops roll up to him and shoot him dead before even getting out of the car... and the cops got away with it. The same year Laquan McDonald was shot 16 times in the middle of the street in Chicago, in the back, walking away from the police... and the cops got away with it UNTIL dashcam video came out when finally the tide turned. And a year after that Freddie Gray is thrown in the back of a police van in Baltimore after being beaten on the street by the PD, driven wildly such that he fell into a coma from head injuries and died... and the cops got away with it. And that same year Eric Garner was driven to the ground by an illegal chokehold by a Staten Island pig just for standing on the street, having sold a few loose cigarettes earlier, such that he was killed after cardiac arrest when his carotid artery was restricted... and the cops for away with it. And the year after that Philando Castile was pulled over and shot in his car when he told the cop he had a licence to carry and was reaching for his wallet like he was asked... and the cops got away with it. And four years after that an EMT in Louisville named Breonna Taylor was shot 8 times by police breaking down her door in her own apartment unannounced no-knock... and (so far) the cops have gotten away with it. I dunno. I'ma give you one guess of the race of all those people. |
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Post by stringypoo on Jun 2, 2020 19:31:09 GMT -5
GODDAMN. I have a lot of thoughts about all of this shit. I have not seen all of the footage on George Floyd, so I can't claim to know all the angles here. But I have so much frustration about this. That footage from CNN headquarters, as well as some of the rioting footage with police resulting in violence against protesters plays nonstop here in China on the news. The narrative that the US is not a safe place is exploding here. And the US is my home, for those who might not know or remember. I would never tell anyone that what I'm seeing police do is okay. And what happened to George Floyd was definitely a major injustice. At the risk of sounding like I'm on the wrong side of the fence here, I am more frustrated with the people rioting and demonstrating in the name of George Floyd than I am with the police. Let us not forget that being a police officer is not a safe career path. They could face any variety of dangers on the job, which can absolutely create a sense of stress, worry, anxiety, and pressure. Do we need protesters out there creating violent scenes for a completely overwhelmed police society all over the nation? The police are appointed to serve as protectors, to help keep the peace. They as a collective unit are nationwide under fire and put under a huge amount of stress. I know from being a teacher with difficult and horrible little shits that it can be easy to be sent into a rage from continuous frustration over asshole kids. So I can relate to these unfortunate events from the Police. The difference is that I'm not getting violent or anything with my kids because I firstly know it's not okay, and secondly, I never get pushed THAT FAR. I don't deal with this kind of shit that these policemen are dealing with. So of course they are resorting to violence. OF COURSE IT'S NOT RIGHT, I'M NOT CONDONING ANYTHING I SEE. But holy shit. People need to find a different way to express their rage about the initial incident. Violence will be responded to with violence. And then here is the thing which I do not know: I did not see enough context, but is there any proof that this incident with George Floyd was racially charged? I think sometimes the race card is played unfairly in the narratives that shape how people view the stories we hear about. I haven't yet seen enough to say this was an act of racist Police brutality. I'm really frustrated by all of this right now. I'm especially glad I'm not there at the moment because it seems too painful, but it echoes deeply and profoundly all over the world right now. The TV is nonstop riot footage. This is not the way I want to remember my home. Edit: I am still catching up on the news coverage on the initial incident. If it is true that George was simply being frisked by the police for little or no reason, I would imagine this to be a racist incident. However, I'm only hearing perspectives. Anyway, I realize the more I type the less it matters what I think. It's all just a bit too upsetting right now. I just mainly hope for a different way to solve this problem than violence. This is a really distressing and painfully misinformed post, because it sounds like all you've heard about are the looting and riots. Yes, that gets a lot of airtime on TV, but just look at the Twitter videos I posted over the weekend, and look at the day-long peaceful protests that go for hours and hours on end without incident. Am I angry about looting and vandalism? Sure. But I'm way more angry at the journalist who is now permanently blind from being shot by the police with a rubber bullet... and the store owner in Louisville killed by the police in crossfire where the PD had illegally turned off their body cams before shooting... and the countless reporters arrested or accosted or maced or gassed... Proof that the incident was "racially charged"? I mean, you usually can't prove racism. What are you looking for? The officer to call him the n-word during the arrest? It's all context, that year after year countless black women and men are killed by the police, unarmed and not resisting, often for crimes that are no where near necessary for the level of force required. There is no coincidence that you don't hear about white criminals being slammed by a chokehold for a $20 counterfeit bill or selling loosies on the street in Staten Island. Look at it this way: think back over the past 15 years how many mass murders and violent shootings have been perpetrated by young white men in America. Aside from the ones who took their own lives during the incident, how many of those arrests did you see done violently? Dylan Roof was arrested quietly after killing 9 African-Americans in a church one night. He was led into the back of a police car, unharmed, without incident. Can you IMAGINE what that would have been like if his name was Tyrone Johnson and he shot up a Southern Baptist church? Puhlease. The problem isn't this one incident, it's systemic. It's that 30 years ago we all saw the footage of Rodney King being beaten within an inch of his life... and the cops got away with it. And seven years after that Amadou Diallo was murdered by four NYC plain-clothes officers in New York... and the cops got away with it. And ten years after that Oscar Grant was gunned down in Oakland while he was on the ground after being kicked in the head, shot in the back... and the cops got away with it. And a year after that seven-year-old Aiyana Jones was shot in the head during a police raid... and the cops got away with it. And three years after that Trayvon Martin was shot in Florida for wearing a hoodie, carrying some Skittles, and "looking suspicious" at night... and the neighborhood watch got away with it. And three years after that an unarmed Michael Brown is shot and killed with his hands up in the middle of the street in Ferguson... and the cops got away with it. The same year a 12-year-old boy named Tamir Rice has a plastic toy gun outside in a park in Cleveland and the cops roll up to him and shoot him dead before even getting out of the car... and the cops got away with it. The same year Laquan McDonald was shot 16 times in the middle of the street in Chicago, in the back, walking away from the police... and the cops got away with it UNTIL dashcam video came out when finally the tide turned. And a year after that Freddie Gray is thrown in the back of a police van in Baltimore after being beaten on the street by the PD, driven wildly such that he fell into a coma from head injuries and died... and the cops got away with it. And that same year Eric Garner was driven to the ground by an illegal chokehold by a Staten Island pig just for standing on the street, having sold a few loose cigarettes earlier, such that he was killed after cardiac arrest when his carotid artery was restricted... and the cops for away with it. And the year after that Philando Castile was pulled over and shot in his car when he told the cop he had a licence to carry and was reaching for his wallet like he was asked... and the cops got away with it. And four years after that an EMT in Louisville named Breonna Taylor was shot 8 times by police breaking down her door in her own apartment unannounced no-knock... and (so far) the cops have gotten away with it. I dunno. I'ma give you one guess of the race of all those people. Fair. I know there’s a history of unequal treatment towards blacks by the police force. And I also agree and see that whites are not treated so poorly when being pursued or arrested. The details of multiple incidents which you just shared are more than I have personally heard. I haven’t followed all aspects of this story yet as I am always trying to catch up as I do my class plans, outlines, and report card drafts. But for now, the extent of what I have seen regarding this incident is quite limited and mostly showing incidents like the multiple videos you posted on the first page, almost all of which play on the tv here every night. It’s awful to watch that from any perspective. Thanks for the added context. |
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Post by stuartoxlade on Jun 3, 2020 4:21:30 GMT -5
stringypoo - watched the documentary on Netflix called 13th if you want a full bit of context about institutional racism in America. It's as clear as day once you've seen that
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Post by v9733xa on Jun 5, 2020 13:00:27 GMT -5
Fuck the police.
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Post by Unlearner on Jun 5, 2020 13:34:56 GMT -5
Who cares about all that when today is a great day for George Floyd! “Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying, ‘This is a great thing that’s happening for our country,’” Trump said. “This is a great day for him. It’s a great day for everybody.” .... “What’s happening in our country, and what’s been happening, is the greatest thing for race relations, for the African-American community, for the Asian-American, for the Hispanic-American community, for women, for everything,” Trump said. “Because our country is so strong, and that’s what my plan is.” Never mind being murdered by the police, people are going back to work finally and that's what really matters! /s  |
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Post by Unlearner on Jun 5, 2020 13:51:31 GMT -5
P.S.
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Post by Joost on Jun 6, 2020 13:41:22 GMT -5
What's the deal with Toby Morse from H20? I just saw on IG that Joe from Wisdom in Chains made a post that the guys calling him racist are beyond dumb. But hooooow ever can someone claim that Toby is a racist?
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Post by essien on Jun 6, 2020 17:14:53 GMT -5
stringypoo - watched the documentary on Netflix called 13th if you want a full bit of context about institutional racism in America. It's as clear as day once you've seen that I watched this today, really insightful. Planning on watching some more documentaries on the subject to educate myself. We've had some huge protests in this country over the past week. A few ugly scenes in London but peaceful elsewhere. We don't have quite the same problem with police brutality in this country but there's still systematic racial discrimination. Hoping this leads to progress. |
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Post by v9733xa on Jun 6, 2020 17:28:18 GMT -5
Good to see FoxNews has their eyes on the prize.  |
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