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May 28, 2017 12:53:26 GMT -5
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Post by evolbunny1 on May 28, 2017 12:53:26 GMT -5
No impeachment, but I dont think he'll be around next term. Its one of those learning what not to do experiences.
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Post by v9733xa on May 28, 2017 14:41:04 GMT -5
No impeachment, but I dont think he'll be around next term. Its one of those learning what not to do experiences. But how? You think he'll run and lose? You think he'll be primaried and another GOP candidate will run? You think he'll quit? I think none of those are likely, and only one is a little possible (we already went over how i think he'll win another term earlier in the thread, unfortunately).
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Post by aimlessarrrow on May 29, 2017 0:30:57 GMT -5
Are we placing bets on odds of impeachment yet or Nah. The numbers just aren't there in Congress. Unless there is some kind of bombshell-to-end-all-bombshells revelation, Republicans control both houses, and a significant majority in the House of Representatives especially. They would never indict a sitting president of their party unless it would cost them politically. But, if the 2018 midterm elections swing the House to the Democrats (honestly, it's not likely, but you never know), then in 2019 i think we can have that conversation. It's just too early. Remember, Watergate took 2 years. I live in New Zealand, so we tend to forget the steps that go towards impeachment. It is unfortunate that there won't be enough pull to shove him out. Everybody keeps going on about how Mike Pence wouldn't be that much better but to be honest, he seems to be a straight up predictable republican. Sure he'd be a dick to a whole lot of people but at least he's not unstable.
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Post by v9733xa on May 29, 2017 8:52:35 GMT -5
Nah. The numbers just aren't there in Congress. Unless there is some kind of bombshell-to-end-all-bombshells revelation, Republicans control both houses, and a significant majority in the House of Representatives especially. They would never indict a sitting president of their party unless it would cost them politically. But, if the 2018 midterm elections swing the House to the Democrats (honestly, it's not likely, but you never know), then in 2019 i think we can have that conversation. It's just too early. Remember, Watergate took 2 years. I live in New Zealand, so we tend to forget the steps that go towards impeachment. It is unfortunate that there won't be enough pull to shove him out. Everybody keeps going on about how Mike Pence wouldn't be that much better but to be honest, he seems to be a straight up predictable republican. Sure he'd be a dick to a whole lot of people but at least he's not unstable. You're 100% right. Pence would probably be the most conservative right-wing president in history, but at least he's emotionally stable. He wouldn't be hawking war with North Korea, or embarrassing the country on Twitter (i'm not sure he even has a Twitter account), or throwing out executive orders that the federal courts block every time. He would, however, try to do all in his power to overturn Roe v. Wade and eliminate abortion, and pass other restrictions on voting rights, and limit access for sex education in schools, and pass laws favoring Christianity over other religions (or no religion), among other terrible neo-conservative things. But, we would be alive and stuff, so that's a good thing. He wouldn't win another term.
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Post by evolbunny1 on May 29, 2017 9:45:20 GMT -5
Nah. The numbers just aren't there in Congress. Unless there is some kind of bombshell-to-end-all-bombshells revelation, Republicans control both houses, and a significant majority in the House of Representatives especially. They would never indict a sitting president of their party unless it would cost them politically. But, if the 2018 midterm elections swing the House to the Democrats (honestly, it's not likely, but you never know), then in 2019 i think we can have that conversation. It's just too early. Remember, Watergate took 2 years. I live in New Zealand, so we tend to forget the steps that go towards impeachment. It is unfortunate that there won't be enough pull to shove him out. Everybody keeps going on about how Mike Pence wouldn't be that much better but to be honest, he seems to be a straight up predictable republican. Sure he'd be a dick to a whole lot of people but at least he's not unstable. I think he'll run and lose, that also depends on who is running against him.
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Post by aimlessarrrow on May 30, 2017 0:44:02 GMT -5
I live in New Zealand, so we tend to forget the steps that go towards impeachment. It is unfortunate that there won't be enough pull to shove him out. Everybody keeps going on about how Mike Pence wouldn't be that much better but to be honest, he seems to be a straight up predictable republican. Sure he'd be a dick to a whole lot of people but at least he's not unstable. I think he'll run and lose, that also depends on who is running against him. I like to think enough people have been shocked into a more active involvement in politics but I guess that's wishful thinking. I'm not as familiar with individual politicians so I'm not sure if there's anyone standing out at the moment. Elizabeth Warren seems pretty cool. Bernie might last.
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Post by aimlessarrrow on May 30, 2017 0:50:12 GMT -5
I live in New Zealand, so we tend to forget the steps that go towards impeachment. It is unfortunate that there won't be enough pull to shove him out. Everybody keeps going on about how Mike Pence wouldn't be that much better but to be honest, he seems to be a straight up predictable republican. Sure he'd be a dick to a whole lot of people but at least he's not unstable. You're 100% right. Pence would probably be the most conservative right-wing president in history, but at least he's emotionally stable. He wouldn't be hawking war with North Korea, or embarrassing the country on Twitter (i'm not sure he even has a Twitter account), or throwing out executive orders that the federal courts block every time. He would, however, try to do all in his power to overturn Roe v. Wade and eliminate abortion, and pass other restrictions on voting rights, and limit access for sex education in schools, and pass laws favoring Christianity over other religions (or no religion), among other terrible neo-conservative things. But, we would be alive and stuff, so that's a good thing. He wouldn't win another term. I think that's the appeal of Pence over Trump. We pretty much know who and what Pence is. He's a far right asshole but at least the US government knows how to deal with far right assholes. Trump represents something they don't really know what to do with. Plus, at least Pence understands governorship, and he probably didn't know what Twitter was before his last campaign.
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Post by mattbouldin on May 30, 2017 20:52:27 GMT -5
Personally I think he'll up and quit like Nixon and if his underlings are smart they'll roll on him. Nixon didn't go to prison, his people did and I'm sure they realize Trump isn't worth going to prison. For.
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Post by v9733xa on May 30, 2017 21:45:42 GMT -5
Personally I think he'll up and quit like Nixon and if his underlings are smart they'll roll on him. Nixon didn't go to prison, his people did and I'm sure they realize Trump isn't worth going to prison. For. Saying that Nixon just "up and quit" is obviously simplifying it, but it's really not too accurate. He was on the precipice of impeachment. There is no doubt that the House would have indicted him on multiple counts and the Senate would have convicted him on probably just as many, or certainly enough for removal. After the tapes came out that basically showed Nixon admitting to obstruction of justice, and then of course with 18 minutes of the tape purposefully deleted, the writing was on the wall. And he knew it, so he resigned. There is a LONG way to go before possible indictments here There's a lot of smoke there, but no fire yet. The proof will take a lot of time.
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Post by eyestothesky on May 30, 2017 23:25:00 GMT -5
Personally I think he'll up and quit like Nixon and if his underlings are smart they'll roll on him. Nixon didn't go to prison, his people did and I'm sure they realize Trump isn't worth going to prison. For. Saying that Nixon just "up and quit" is obviously simplifying it, but it's really not too accurate. He was on the precipice of impeachment. There is no doubt that the House would have indicted him on multiple counts and the Senate would have convicted him on probably just as many, or certainly enough for removal. After the tapes came out that basically showed Nixon admitting to obstruction of justice, and then of course with 18 minutes of the tape purposefully deleted, the writing was on the wall. And he knew it, so he resigned. There is a LONG way to go before possible indictments here There's a lot of smoke there, but no fire yet. The proof will take a lot of time. Sad to say there would have to be a metric fuck ton of fire before this congress even thinks about impeachment.
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Post by bizasuge on May 31, 2017 16:19:24 GMT -5
Covfefe
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Post by crust on May 31, 2017 18:00:16 GMT -5
What do you guys think of the Kathy Griffin scandal? The covfefe memes are ok, I find them lame but ok. What would happen if a comedian were holding the severed head of Obama back in 2012? I would like to know your points of view because it's always good to see more than one way.
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Post by v9733xa on May 31, 2017 18:11:11 GMT -5
What do you guys think of the Kathy Griffin scandal? The covfefe memes are ok, I find them lame but ok. What would happen if a comedian were holding the severed head of Obama back in 2012? I would like to know your points of view because it's always good to see more than one way. It was really stupid of her to do that. I know she does a little bit of the "shock" comedy, and no one is surprised that she hates Trump.... but man, Kathy, that was just idiotic. She deserves most of what's coming to her, in terms of loss of sponsors or endorsements, jobs and gigs, etc. Sorry, but it's pretty indefensible. This coming from someone who roots for the President to drop dead right now. What would happen if it were Obama? Great question. It did, a few years ago. Read: thinkprogress.org/video-tea-party-councilman-holds-sign-featuring-severed-obama-head-ac99c86c5a72Or this: issuehawk.com/tamar/2014/10/21/right-wing-applaud-man-who-puts-severed-obama-head-in-his-yard-because-i-dont-like-him.htmlAnd The Washington Post gets it right with this story: www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/31/the-right-is-mad-over-kathy-griffins-gruesome-trump-video-the-left-asks-remember-ted-nugent/?utm_term=.cce3abaeaf27EDIT: See also, Glenn Beck putting an Obama doll into a jar of urine: www.mediaite.com/online/glenn-beck-criticizes-political-art-by-putting-obama-doll-in-jar-of-urine/ Classy.
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Post by crust on May 31, 2017 18:24:19 GMT -5
I totally knew the Ted Nugent scandal and different sources gave different histories, that he was "drunk" or "he's just racist". Either way, he did a bad choice using those words. I don't support him at all. Trust me. I couldn't care less about him and I totally understand your point. Now, talking about that Michigan man. It's the same but not the same. And I say it's not the same because of the media impact. Kathy is someone who is exposed to the masses, this is a man from a smal town I guess? (I'm not american so the only think I know about Michigan is Detroit and Flint). I must say I didn't know this happened and I'm truly grateful you showed me this. As far I could understood with my not-so-well english known he was a councilman. The Tea Party later made him resign and stuff. What was the media (not internet media, the WHOLE tv media) coverage? And what about media coverage with Kathy's scandal? I'm asking this question because, as a not american person, I would like to understand all parties point of view. Of course I have mine (bad for her!) but I'm always open to discuss and know more and more. Do you think you could help me with those question I just posted? This was back in 2012 (the video if I'm not mistaken is from 2009). This is something that EXPLODED in less that 48 hours.
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Post by v9733xa on May 31, 2017 18:36:54 GMT -5
I totally knew the Ted Nugent scandal and different sources gave different histories, that he was "drunk" or "he's just racist". Either way, he did a bad choice using those words. I don't support him at all. Trust me. I couldn't care less about him and I totally understand your point. Now, talking about that Michigan man. It's the same but not the same. And I say it's not the same because of the media impact. Kathy is someone who is exposed to the masses, this is a man from a smal town I guess? (I'm not american so the only think I know about Michigan is Detroit and Flint). I must say I didn't know this happened and I'm truly grateful you showed me this. As far I could understood with my not-so-well english known he was a councilman. The Tea Party later made him resign and stuff. What was the media (not internet media, the WHOLE tv media) coverage? And what about media coverage with Kathy's scandal? I'm asking this question because, as a not american person, I would like to understand all parties point of view. Of course I have mine (bad for her!) but I'm always open to discuss and know more and more. Do you think you could help me with those question I just posted? This was back in 2012 (the video if I'm not mistaken is from 2009). This is something that EXPLODED in less that 48 hours. Oh i'm in no way equating the two. What she did is among one of the most abhorrent things i've seen when it comes to denigrating someone of importance. And yes, she's a relatively well-known celebrity, albeit one who often says outlandish things (a la Joan Rivers) and then usually goes "well hey, what about free speech?" Usually it doesn't bother me. I did however want to point out a few examples of bad stuff on the other side. (See also the Glenn Beck link i edited into my first post.) And look at pictures from Tea Party rallies in 2010, some really racist stuff about Obama. And you have guys like Carl Paladino, wishing for President Obama to die of Mad Cow Disease: www.nytimes.com/2016/12/23/nyregion/carl-paladino-trump-ally-wishes-obama-dead-and-aims-racial-insults-at-michelle-obama.html (In that, quote about Michelle Obama: I’d like her to return to being a male and let loose in the outback of Zimbabwe where she lives comfortably in a cave with Maxie, the gorilla.") Kewl. But none of that is as bad as a mock severed bloody head, really just for the sake of shock value. For what it's worth, that photographer is known for controversial things, and i both respect and enjoy edgy shocking work, and maybe if it was just some nobody doing it, it'd be fine. But she knew what she was doing.
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